Re: Quatremayne of Thame and Fowler

["Linley" <linleyw@optushome.com.au>]

Then and again when I am wrong I tend to apologise very quickly!!  Not St.
Mary's on Thame eh!!  Sorry about that!

> Yes, Victoria, you are correct but when people are wrong I just tend to
> ignore their ignorance!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "McKenzie, Victoria (UK - England)" <Victoria.McKenzie@lasalle.com>
> To: <quarterman@quarterman.org>
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:12 PM
> Subject: RE: Quatremayne of Thame and Fowler
>
>
> > Last year on a visit to St Mary's Church in Thame I bought a booklet in
> the church describing the history of the church. It stated that Richard
> Fowler was Sybil's nephew who inherited Rycote as Richard Q & Sybil had
died
> childless.
> >
> > There is also a short family tree in a picture frame on the wall in the
> entrance to Rycote Chapel.
> >
> > I have read the commentary from Nancy Reu and it seems to me that the
> reason she couldn't find the brasses is because they are in St Mary's
> Church, Thame, not Rycote Chapel.
> >
> > From my visit and close examination of the names engraved in the floor
at
> Rycote Chapel, I understand that Rycote Chapel was the Private chapel in
the
> grounds of the family home, hence the Quartermaine crest engraved in stone
> above the original entrance. This was the chapel in which the staff
> worshipped and hence their names are in the floor. Richard Quarterman
> himself usually worshipped at the local church St Mary's, Thame hence this
> is where he was buried.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Victoria Mckenzie (Nee Quarterman)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John S. Quarterman [mailto:jsq@quarterman.org]
> > Sent: 17 August 2002 17:38
> > To: quarterman@quarterman.org
> > Subject: Quatremayne of Thame and Fowler
> >
> >
> > Nancy Reu has provided some pictures of tombs in Chalgrove and Thame.
> >
> >  http://www.quarterman.org/pictures/mandreu/index.html
> >
> > There are many interesting questions about the people represented.
> >
> > For example, how was Richard Fowler, who appears in brass on the
> > same tomb as Richard and Sybil Quatremayne, related to them?
> >
> > Here's another version of the brass of Richard Quatremayne,
> > councillor to Richard Duke of York and to Edward IV, 1478 engr.
> > c. 1460, Thame, Oxfordshire:
> >
> >  http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/York_Thame_Brass.htm
> >
> > He appears to have been one of the more prominent supporters of the
> > House of York in the Wars of the Roses:
> >
> >  http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Picture_Library-THE_YORKISTS.htm
> >
> > Richard Fowler d. 3 Nov 1477 was Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster,
> > according to Matthew Adams Stickney in his book The Fowler Family.
> > Richard Fowler's mother was Cecily Englefield who married William
Fowler.
> >
> > Richard Quartermayne's wife's maiden name was Sybil Englefield.
> > Cecily Englefield's first child's name was Sibilla Fowler.
> > Her second child was Richard Fowler the future Chancellor.
> > In other words, neither of her children were named for herself
> > or her husband; instead they have the names of Richard and Sybil
> > Quartremayne.  So perhaps Sybil and Cecily Englefield were sisters.
> > If so, Chancellor Fowler was Sybil Englefield Quartermayne's nephew.
> >
> > And indeed, according to Rev. Frederick George Lee in his
> > The History, Description, and Antiquities of the Prebendal Church of
> > the Blessed Virgin Mary of Thame, In the County and Diocese of Oxford,
> > etc., they were sisters.  I think William Fowler Carter in his book
> > The Quatremains of Oxfordshire agreed with Lee on this point.
> > Does anyone have a copy of the Carter book handy to check this?
> >
> > Amusingly enough, Sibilla Fowler married Sir Thomas Danvers,
> > and Richard Fowler married Joane Danvers.  Danvers siblings?
> > Yes, and their grandmother was Matilda Quatremayne, sister of
> > Richard (according to Lee and Carter).
> >
> > Richard and Joane Quatremayne's son was named Sir Richard
``Quartermayne''
> > Fowler.  The middle name may have been just an nickname.
> > This Sir Richard inherited the Manors of Rycott and North Weston,
> > and later sold Rycott.  He had eight children, after which I lose
> > track of them.
> >
> > The names Fowler and Danvers pop up again a hundred years later
> > in Massachusetts.  Same Fowlers and Danvers?  I don't know.
> >
> > John S. Quarterman <jsq@quarterman.org>
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