Re: Quatremayne of Thame and Fowler

["MIKE AND NANCY REU" <mandnreu@charter.net>]

Victoria -

The brasses in question (that we didn't find) were some that were referred
to by JSQ in an earlier e-mail to me after I had reported visiting
Oxfordshire, and specifically St. Mary's, Chalgrove.  They are pictured on
the Quarterman pages & are not the same as the ones in St. Mary's, Thame.
(I can't access the Quarterman site this AM & I can't remember the name of
the man who posted them, but they are shown under pictures from Chalgrove.)
Rycote Chapel was closed when we were there, so all we could do was
photograph the outside.  There is major construction going on at the
building beyond & to the left of the chapel.  Not having much knowledge
about Rycote & its history, I don't know if this is new construction or
renovations to an already existing building.  Our daughter-in-law, who lives
in Maidenhead, was going to try to find out when the chapel would be open
again.

Nancy Reu

----- Original Message -----
From: "McKenzie, Victoria (UK - England)" <Victoria.McKenzie@lasalle.com>
To: <quarterman@quarterman.org>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:12 AM
Subject: RE: Quatremayne of Thame and Fowler


> Last year on a visit to St Mary's Church in Thame I bought a booklet in
the church describing the history of the church. It stated that Richard
Fowler was Sybil's nephew who inherited Rycote as Richard Q & Sybil had died
childless.
>
> There is also a short family tree in a picture frame on the wall in the
entrance to Rycote Chapel.
>
> I have read the commentary from Nancy Reu and it seems to me that the
reason she couldn't find the brasses is because they are in St Mary's
Church, Thame, not Rycote Chapel.
>
> >From my visit and close examination of the names engraved in the floor at
Rycote Chapel, I understand that Rycote Chapel was the Private chapel in the
grounds of the family home, hence the Quartermaine crest engraved in stone
above the original entrance. This was the chapel in which the staff
worshipped and hence their names are in the floor. Richard Quarterman
himself usually worshipped at the local church St Mary's, Thame hence this
is where he was buried.
>
> Regards
>
> Victoria Mckenzie (Nee Quarterman)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John S. Quarterman [mailto:jsq@quarterman.org]
> Sent: 17 August 2002 17:38
> To: quarterman@quarterman.org
> Subject: Quatremayne of Thame and Fowler
>
>
> Nancy Reu has provided some pictures of tombs in Chalgrove and Thame.
>
>  http://www.quarterman.org/pictures/mandreu/index.html
>
> There are many interesting questions about the people represented.
>
> For example, how was Richard Fowler, who appears in brass on the
> same tomb as Richard and Sybil Quatremayne, related to them?
>
> Here's another version of the brass of Richard Quatremayne,
> councillor to Richard Duke of York and to Edward IV, 1478 engr.
> c. 1460, Thame, Oxfordshire:
>
>  http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/York_Thame_Brass.htm
>
> He appears to have been one of the more prominent supporters of the
> House of York in the Wars of the Roses:
>
>  http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Picture_Library-THE_YORKISTS.htm
>
> Richard Fowler d. 3 Nov 1477 was Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster,
> according to Matthew Adams Stickney in his book The Fowler Family.
> Richard Fowler's mother was Cecily Englefield who married William Fowler.
>
> Richard Quartermayne's wife's maiden name was Sybil Englefield.
> Cecily Englefield's first child's name was Sibilla Fowler.
> Her second child was Richard Fowler the future Chancellor.
> In other words, neither of her children were named for herself
> or her husband; instead they have the names of Richard and Sybil
> Quartremayne.  So perhaps Sybil and Cecily Englefield were sisters.
> If so, Chancellor Fowler was Sybil Englefield Quartermayne's nephew.
>
> And indeed, according to Rev. Frederick George Lee in his
> The History, Description, and Antiquities of the Prebendal Church of
> the Blessed Virgin Mary of Thame, In the County and Diocese of Oxford,
> etc., they were sisters.  I think William Fowler Carter in his book
> The Quatremains of Oxfordshire agreed with Lee on this point.
> Does anyone have a copy of the Carter book handy to check this?
>
> Amusingly enough, Sibilla Fowler married Sir Thomas Danvers,
> and Richard Fowler married Joane Danvers.  Danvers siblings?
> Yes, and their grandmother was Matilda Quatremayne, sister of
> Richard (according to Lee and Carter).
>
> Richard and Joane Quatremayne's son was named Sir Richard ``Quartermayne''
> Fowler.  The middle name may have been just an nickname.
> This Sir Richard inherited the Manors of Rycott and North Weston,
> and later sold Rycott.  He had eight children, after which I lose
> track of them.
>
> The names Fowler and Danvers pop up again a hundred years later
> in Massachusetts.  Same Fowlers and Danvers?  I don't know.
>
> John S. Quarterman <jsq@quarterman.org>
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